Topics of discussion included the resignation of Supreme Court Justice Stevens, Sarah Palin’s future in the Republican party (with Ron Paul commenting on the possibility of a Paul/Palin ticket in 2012), the potential for an anti-war coalition of principled progressives, libertarians and constitutionalist conservatives, the degree of Barack Obama’s radicalism, Tiger Woods, and why the mainstream media didn’t review Jesse Ventura’s latest book “American Conspiracies“.

Jesse Ventura’s Conspiracy Theory premieres this December 2nd at 10 PM on truTV.

Jesse Ventura and a team of expert investigators are on a mission to examine some of the most frightening and mysterious conspiracy allegations of our time. They examine available evidence as well as talking to experts and eyewitnesses to learn more about such topics as global warming, possible 9/11 cover-ups, secret government weapons and apocalyptic prophecies. “This is my personal journey,” Ventura says, “to prove that there is more to these stories than you know about.”

Alex Jones: I’m here with Jesse Ventura and we just did an interview for his upcoming television program “Conspiracy Theory”. Governor, it’s good to be here with you.

Jesse Ventura: Great, Alex. It’s always nice to see you.

Alex Jones: Never hung out with you in California. Tell us about the TV show.

Alex Jones: Well, it’s a TV show. It’s going to be on the TRU Network and we’re going to deal with conspiracies and we’re going to deal with all sides of them and it’s going to be multiple different ones that we’ll deal with. And I think people are going to find it not only enlightening, but entertaining at the same time.

Alex Jones: What did you think about our little discussion about population reduction?

Jesse Ventura: Well, it’s kind of stunning when I talk to you about it. It’s the kind of think when it’s told to you you’re not sure if you can believe it or not, because it’s so outrageous and outlandish in its concept. You can’t imagine that things like that can occur in our lives. But the more I am doing “Conspiracy Theory”, the more I am learning about different conspiracies out there beyond, of course, just the assassination of John F. Kennedy and things of that nature. But it’s pretty enlightening and pretty shocking when you do learn about them.

Alex Jones: Well, I’m glad that your show is somewhat of an investigation of these ideas. Because of lot of it out there, from my research, is baloney or part of it is wrong, part of it is right. More often than not that is the case. I’m just seeking for the truth and trying to find out historically what’s happened, what’s happening currently and what’s coming up in the future. But I will tell you: on the subject of eugenics, on the subject of world population reduction, it’s part of the public record. It’s just not popularly known. That’s what’s so exciting about you doing this TV show.

Tell us about some of the other topics that are going to covered and when is it going to be airing?

Jesse Ventura: Well, we don’t know exactly yet. About the other topics… I don’t know if I want to be at liberty right now to say any of them, you know.

Alex Jones: It’s double top secret probation?

Jesse Ventura: Yep, it’s double secret probation just like animal house at this point of time. But you know Alex, you’ll be a part of this show. We’ve talked to some very interesting people on a lot of very interesting subjects and I’ll just leave it at that for right now. Tentatively I’m guessing it should be out around November, around Christmas time. It should hit the air somewhere in that general vicinity.

Alex Jones: But it’s been in the news that you are tackling 9/11.

Jesse Ventura: Oh it has? Okay yea, that will be one of them then. 9/11 is one because you know we all know there are fierce conspiracy theories about 9/11 and our main stream media won’t cover any of this stuff. So they leave it to me, so I have a job now.

Alex Jones: That’s another question. We haven’t really seen any big national TV shows look at this. I think you’re going to be one of the first that is going to objectively do it.

Jesse Ventura: Hopefully, and hopefully that will get us some ratings and hopefully we will be bought up and have another season. It’s all part of what you do in this particular business, and Alex, for me it’s a case that they won’t let me retire. I want to retire, I wanted to go surfing, but yet this is so intriguing to me that I’m holding off my retirement till we get this project done.

Alex Jones: How did you get into this, governor? Because I remember about three and a half years ago I first met you in San Antonio and interviewed you and gave you my film Terror Storm. You knew a little bit about some issues, but it seems like more and more… you’re writing a book I heard on the subject, you come on my show. I mean it seems like Jesse Ventura is…

Jesse Ventura: Here’s the problem now, Alex. I now live half the year down in Mexico. Well, I don’t watch TV in Mexico when I’m down there for the six months; I read. And so I go out, I get books on interesting topics. I like to study history and I like to study real things.

I don’t like to particularly read novels because that’s simply someone else’s imagination writing a story in a book. Well, I have my own imagination; I don’t need anybody else’s, generally. So I like to read history and I like to read controversial history and so really this has blossomed because of my time in Mexico.

I remember three years ago I actually read 17 books in one winter down there. Alex, that’s more books than I read in my entire school career. You know, so it’s reading and it’s doing that.

And I’m the creator of this show, basically. I took it with my people and we sold it and the TRU Network brought it and they found it interesting enough, and here we are.

Alex Jones: Governor, during the research for this television show, and now that you’re really immersed in this reading all these books down in Mexico part of the year surfing, what do you think of the New World Order itself, the move towards world government? Or are you not even convinced of that?

Jesse Ventura: Well, you know, I guess I’m 50-50 right now as I look at it, because I don’t want to believe it and that’s probably what holds me back on it. But I am certainly seeing enough indication that it could be true, absolutely. Because they’re always talking about Mexico and the United States and Canada ending up like Europe and there are things done politically that seem to take us in that direction.

And so I think it’s incumbent upon all of us as American citizens to pay attention. You know, you got time to watch baseball, you got time to watch football, you got time to entertain yourself. But I think we’re losing a knowledgeable public. And we’ve got to give people back on track to paying attention, because if you don’t pay attention to your government and what they’re doing, you’re going to pay some dire consequences for it.

I always live by simple things like dissention is the greatest form of patriotism; and I believe that. Because if you don’t hold your elected officials’ feet to the fire and pay attention, you are going to get bad government. So it’s imperative for all of us, it’s our job as citizens of this great country to pay attention.

Alex Jones: Alright, Governor Venture, thanks for talking to us.

Date: 7/15/2009

Larry King: Joining us now from Minneapolis is the former governor of Minnesota, the bestselling author of “Don’t Start the Revolution Without Me”, Jesse Ventura. Jesse, have appointed as governor of more than 70 judges while you were in office. How does Judge Sotomayor impress you as a nominee?

Jesse Ventura: Well first of all, Larry, she has already held numerous appointments. She was appointed by President George H.W. Bush, I believe, to the federal bench. So, this is a woman with a very vast amount of experience and, you know, when they get to these hearings it’s more about political posturing of the two political parties, in my opinion. It’s almost laughable. Because if the appointment is a Democratic appointment all the Republicans attack. If it’s a Republican appointment then the Democrats attack. And it seems to be the litmus test is always Roe v. Wade. You know, they all want to know how are you going to vote on Roe v. Wade (abortion). So that’s how it all comes through the wash to me. She’s totally qualified and in my opinion should be appointed to the bench.

Larry King: Al Franken finally got into the United States Senate from your state.

Jesse Ventura: Yea.

Larry King: What did you make of that whole election?

Jesse Ventura: Well, it was the whole process, Larry. The election was so close that it required the recount regardless of lawsuits or the court or anything like that. And then when the recount was completed they did it slowly and hopefully correctly. Then, you know, Senator Coleman had his option of challenging to the court. He took it to the Minnesota Supreme Court, lost, and it ended there.

What I find more disturbing is this, Larry: there have been letters to the editor here in Minnesota now saying how embarrassing it is that we’ve now elected a writer-comedian just as before we elected a pro-wrestler. Well, I think that Minnesota truly is following what our forefathers had in mind of a citizen government. I’m more disturbed that people think we should elect career politicians and lawyers, you know.

What this country was founded upon, Larry, was people bringing their life experience, be a citizen government, and the one positive thing I can say about Al Franken over Norm Coleman is that at least this is his time. Senator Coleman has been cashing government checks for 35 years. And I find that very strange out of a Republican.

Larry King: By the way, Senator Franken questioned judge Sotomayor today. Here is an exerpt, we’ll get your comments.

Al Franken: What was the one case in Barry Mason that…

Sonia Sotomayor: I wish I remembered the name of the episode, but I don’t. I just was always struck that there was only one case where his client was actually guilty.

Al Franken: And you don’t remember that case?

Sonia Sotomayor: I know that I should remember the name of it, but I haven’t looked at the episode.

Al Franken: Didn’t the White House prepare you for that?

Larry King: That needed a little humor today, didn’t it Jesse?

Jesse Ventura: Well, I suppose, but again total nonsense. I guess I would counter and say my friend Vince Bugliosi only lost one case too. He was successful in the 105 out of a 106 prosecution convictions. So it’s possible.

Larry King: Did you consider running for that Senate seat?

Jesse Ventura: Yes, I did. It came down to a flip of a coin. I flipped the coin and it came up tails and I said, “Head’s I run, tails I don’t”. It’s kind of funny, Larry, because everywhere I go in the twin cities people come up to me all the time and say to me we wouldn’t have had this problem if I’d have ran, but that’s neither here nor there, I didn’t want to do it.

Larry King: Let’s move to the soon-to-be former governor Palin. What do you make of her resigning?

Jesse Ventura: She’s a quitter. Let me put it to you this way, Larry, and by not being sexist: she could never make it as a frogman or a Navy Seal, because if you utter the words “I Quit” in BUDS (basic underwater demolition seal) training, you’re gone. I don’t remember one person in my class that quit. I remember every person I graduated with. It offends me over the fact that she told the people of Alaska she wanted to be their governor, and that’s a four year commitment and now right in the middle she quits? Well, if she’s got plans of running for higher office I would never vote for her because if it gets too hot in the kitchen she is liable to quit.

Larry King: You think there is an underlying reason maybe we don’t know?

Jesse Ventura: Well, I don’t think she was put under any more scrutiny with the media than I was as an independent. My children were attacked in Minnesota, everything I did was put under the microscope. But the point is, Larry, you don’t quit. When you make an obligation and you take an oath, doesn’t it mean anything anymore?

Larry King: We’ll be back with more of Jesse Ventura who is never dull, and his book is “Don’t Start the Revolution Without Me”. We’ve got two web exclusives for you on this Sotomayor confirmation hearing.

Let’s take a call for governor Ventura. Santi, California, hello.

Santi: Hi, how are you?

Larry King: Fine.

Santi: I wanted to ask Mr. Ventura if he is having any future plans of running for, you know, governor or state senator or something on or beyond that and I like his stand on average people getting more involved in their citizenry.

Jesse Ventura: Well, I have no plans to do that right now. I did 6 years in the navy, 4 years as a mayor, 4 years as a governor and I’m liking private life a lot right now. You know Larry, I just want to tell you it’s my birthday today, and only for you would I come out and do an interview on my birthday. I played golf today at the tournament players club at Minneapolis where we just had the 3M championship of the seniors today, and then I come on with you on my birthday.

Larry King: I’m honored.

Jesse Ventura: Only for you, Larry, nobody else.

Larry King: Thank you. You’ve been a critic of media in your time. What do you make of the media coverage of Michael Jackson?

Jesse Ventura: Well, I think it’s overexposed by far, you know. Michael was a great entertainer, one of the biggest the world has ever seen. But, you know, to me enough is enough. You know, our media has gone far too much to the entertainment side and to the ratings side as opposed to the information side and the knowledge side. Honor Michael, do a tribute to him, but it should not last for weeks going into months.

Larry King: Congressman Peter King of New York, who shared the view of over coverage, called Michael a lowlife, a pervert and criticized society for glorifying him.

Jesse Ventura: What was he talking about, a few of his Republican colleagues? You know, who are they to talk? I mean, you got Republicans cheating on their wives left and right, you got them in the bathrooms at the airport here in Minnesota, and these are all the people that supposedly run on family values? You know, unless you got a clean closet keep your mouth shut.

Larry King: What part of a politician’s private live is our business?

Jesse Ventura: I think none of it, unless they run on a family value platform. If they tell you that they’re for this “family values” Larry, then that opens up a box of worms on them on the moral issues. I liked it better in the days of John F. Kennedy. Now, people talked that he had affairs, this and that. But, you know what, it wasn’t brought out to the public, they stuck to the issues and they stuck to governing. Look at it this way, Larry, they spent a hundred million dollars to discover Bill Clinton cheated on Hillary, when on 9-11 they only allocated 4 million to find out who killed 3,000 people.

Larry King: Another area. Ultimate Boxing has now replaced boxing.

Jesse Ventura: Ultimate fighting, you mean.

Larry King: Ultimate fighting. They don’t wear shoes, they kick, they fight, they jump on each other.

Jesse Ventura: Yep.

Larry King: What do you make of that sport?

Jesse Ventura: I think it’s terrific because I’ve been to them and I think it’s very professionally run, bar what Broc Lesnar did Saturday. I was ashamed of his behavior at the end of the fight. But for the most part they’re honorable, they’re respectful. These guys volunteer to do it, the referees are very good. I’ve been there. I think boxing is really more dangerous because in Ultimate Fighting the moment the guy is stunned, the referee jumps in and stops it. Where in boxing they give you standing eight-counts and they let it resume again and again and again. So I think this is less dangerous actually than boxing.

Larry King: The totals on the pay-per-view the other night were incredible. Why do you think the public likes it so much?

Jesse Ventura: Because it’s something new and they call it the ultimate martial arts. You combine wrestling, you combine jujitsu, karate, judo, boxing. It’s all combined and it’s all legal. Yet, you know, you can’t hit to the groin, you can’t do eye techniques or anything like that. But I think that’s what draws it. It’s the ultimate fighter. When all the arts are allowed to go, this is the ultimate winner.

Larry King: In your younger day would you have tried it?

Jesse Ventura: No, I don’t think so. As my instructor, Terry Moyd, told me in the Seals when we asked about hand to hand combat, he said to us, “with a stoner machine gun no one should ever get that close”.

Larry King: And finally, how’s Obama doing?

Jesse Ventura: I think it’s still, in my opinion, too early to judge. I will withhold judgment until he has been in office for at least one year. And then at that point in time I’ll look back at the first year and I’ll make some judgments. Right now he’s still getting his feet wet, but he’s doing a heck of a lot better than his predecessor did.

Larry King: Do you think he’s over exposed?

Jesse Ventura: I never believe any president of the United States is over exposed. You know, they’re the leader of the free world and the leader of the United States, and we need to know what they’re doing at all times.

Larry King: So you don’t mind a speech a day?

Jesse Ventura: No, because if you can turn the channel. You don’t have to watch it. You know that’s your option.

Larry King: Hey Jesse, thanks for doing this. Happy 58th birthday. God he’s 58. Happy 58th birthday to Jesse Ventura.

Jesse Ventura: It’s a golden birthday for me, Larry. Thank you because I was BUDS class 58 and now I am 58.

Larry King: Thank you so much, Jesse.

Jesse Ventura: Always welcome, my pleasure. You too, bye bye.

Larry King: Jesse Ventura.

6/15/2009

Cody Willard: Former governor Jesse Ventura, author of “Don’t start the revolution without me” joins Eric and I now for “Trading Places”. Welcome back, governor, how are you doing?

Jesse Ventura: I’m doing pretty good. How are you guys doing today?

Cody Willard: We’re doing great. First things first with this: You know, the SEC is supposed to be making sure that contracts are always enforced and no one is fraudulent. The Fed is supposed to make sure that the banks aren’t all levered up ridiculously and risking too much money, and meanwhile the FDIC is supposed to be protecting depositors. None of that is happening but those laws are already there. Why are we changing anything?

Jesse Ventura: I don’t know, you know. I guess we’re distracted by all the wars we’re involved in, you know. Instead of taking care of the home front we’re looking around the world trying to police everything else going on in the world. I don’t have the answer for you.

Eric Bolling: So, governor, would you just suggest that we kind of put our hands up? It sounds very Libertarian. Can I put you in that bubble? You’re a Libertarian so you put your hands up and say, “Hey, you know, let the world deal with their problems, we’ll deal with ours?”

Jesse Ventura: In a way, yeah. You know I always find it kind of interesting. I saw a thing the other day on Egypt and they talked about how Egypt is second only to Israel in our foreign aid. And I sat back and looked and thought, “foreign aid?” Our country is totally in debt up to its neck, we’ve got problems up to Ying Yang here. How on earth do we give out foreign aid? I was only a governor so maybe that’s beyond me.

Cody Willard: Governor, that’s just it. I mean when we looked at that I actually wrote about this on CodyWillard.com today. The fact is that the magnitudes of the numbers are so astounding. For example, CitiGroup today is going to be working with the World Bank to invest $1.25 billion in the emerging markets. That’s welfare money that could be feeding kids three blocks down in the projects from CitiGroup’s headquarters.

Jesse Ventura: Well, it could be. You know I don’t know. I am one of these people that, like I said, we’ve got enough problems inside our own borders. Why don’t we focus on fixing the United States of America, fixing our infrastructure, fixing everything that needs to be done here?

Cody Willard: Governor, isn’t that sort of what they are saying they’re trying to do, but I come back to those rules and laws that we already have in place.

Jesse Ventura: But they still have foreign aid. Let me be simple. How can you have foreign aid? It’s like you individually, you house is mortgaged to the hilt, you’re going to lose it, it’s going to be repossessed. But uncle bob calls up and wants 500 bucks from you. How do we give out foreign aid? I’m baffled over that.

Eric Bolling: Where would you draw the line, tough? So we just cut off all foreign aid completely. There would be starving people in countries that are developing?

Jesse Ventura: Why not? Why don’t we cut off foreign aid and why don’t we bring all our troops home? That would be a good start.

Cody Willard: So governor, have you seen any of these details from Timothy Geithner who I actually thought was one of the guys in charge of the Federal Reserve when all of this stuff was happening. And he is saying that he needs more authority in order to actually carry out the regulations that he’s creating now or something.

Jesse Ventura: Well, you know, I don’t think anyone truly knows what they’re doing. I can’t sit here and tell you and look you in the eye and say what they’re doing is correct. I don’t know. I think it’s a roll of the dice. I think they grabbed the dice, they rolled it, they’re hopping a seven comes up and nobody else seems to have any alternative. Because let’s remember, George Bush started the bailouts. He was the first to do it, the Republicans voted for it. Then when Barack Obama does bailouts, I notice the Republicans now don’t vote for it. So it shows me the two parties are still making decisions based upon party power and maybe not what’s good for the country as a whole.

Eric Bolling: Jesse, real quickly because we’re running out of time, you’re okay with welfare to our own starving people in this country?

Jesse Ventura: Well, I’m alright with a safety net of welfare. I think that we’re a rich country and we should always look after our poor people and try to give them a boost up so that they can become contributing citizens. I think when you really judge a country, judge a country by its poor. When you look at a country look at its poor and that will tell you how successful the country is.

Cody Willard: Thank you so much for joining us once again, Governor Jesse Ventura.

Date: 6/1/2009

David Asman: As we continue our first night of Red Ink Week, there is no question that for too long, politicians of all stripes have looked at government coffers as a bottomless pit of wealth. Spending other people’s money is always easier than parting with your own and that’s precisely the problem. If we’re ever going to get out of this hole, we keep digging for ourselves or they keep digging for us, the mentality of how we govern has got to change here in Washington and in state capitals all over the country as well.

Our next guest has been on the frontline of that charge to make politicians accountable with the taxpayers, something he did as governor of Minnesota. Joining us now from Minneapolis is the author of “Don’t Start The Revolution Without Me”, and Jesse Ventura, I wouldn’t think of it, because I’m sure you’d be in the front deck all the way. Good to see you again.

Jesse Ventura: Good to see you again. Nice to be here.

David Asman: Well, you know, in just the past couple of months since we’ve seen each other, the folks in the Capitol right behind me have gone out of their way to do exactly what you said they shouldn’t do, which is putting themselves more in charge, spending more of our money and reducing our freedoms. What do we do as a country to combat that?

Jesse Ventura: Well, I think, you know, I’ve harped on it for years and years. We’ve got to stop voting for Democrats and Republicans. I mean, they are in this together. They both spend equally as bad. It seems that the Democrats are more cash and carry. They like to reach directly into your wallet, where the Republicans seem to charge it and put it on the national debt and hope to pay it off later with another generation.

When I was governor of Minnesota, I ran on a unicameral platform, One House, and at the state level, you don’t need two Houses. One House works. Now at the Federal level, of course, you need two; otherwise, California would run the nation and we know what a disaster that could be.

But I couldn’t even get them to take a floor vote on putting it on the ballot, and the reason I bring this up is because the more people you have elected and the larger… like in Minnesota, we have 201 state legislators, which is bigger than California’s, even though their population is 30 million more than ours is, or better. Every time they pass a law, that comes with a price tag. It requires to implement that law, there’s going to have to be funding spent on it.

David Asman: That’s right.

Jesse Ventura: So we’ve got to get these people to stop passing more laws.

David Asman: That’s right. That’s right.

Jesse Ventura: That would be a great start.

David Asman: Well, passing more laws…

Jesse Ventura: Do we really need more laws?

David Asman: Governor, governor. It’s also creating bureaucracies. If it was just a matter of writing a check or cutting a check in order to solve the problem, then fine. You know, cut a check. But they create these huge bureaucracies, each one of which has about two or three buildings in this town of Washington filled with hundreds or thousands of bureaucrats, each one of whom, well, have pensions that last until the day they die.

Jesse Ventura: We also have to pay for the party caucus staffs. In Minnesota, that comes out of the taxpayer’s end. We pay. Now, why should my tax dollars, when I’m a third-party guy, go to support the Democrats and Republicans who I oppose, and yet they take my tax dollars and give it to them.

David Asman: All right, well, specific question then. How do we make it more difficult, because right now it’s pretty easy for them to spend money and for them to create laws, how do we make it more difficult for them to do that?

Jesse Ventura: Well, the only way is at the ballot box. Stop electing them, then they’ll get terrified, you know, because it’s all about getting elected and control. You see, the problem is these two parties have put their parties first and the country second. And in fact, the country is third. Special interest is second. So in the case in point, when George Bush went for a bailout, all the Republicans voted for it.

David Asman: That’s right.

Jesse Ventura: A few months later, when President Obama does it, all the Republicans now don’t vote for it. That clearly shows you that they vote to give power to their parties and they’re not doing what’s necessarily correct for the country.

David Asman: All right. Well, by the way, just a slight correction. Not all Republicans voted for the bailouts, the TARP bailouts. I mean, we’ve got a couple who are coming up right here on the scoreboard that we want you to pay attention to.

Jesse Ventura: Okay, and that’s fine. But as a whole, I’m speaking as a whole.

David Asman: Yeah.

Jesse Ventura: As a whole, Republicans supported the Bush bailout and they opposed the Obama bailout when essentially they were the same things. It shows you how it works.

David Asman: I agree they were essentially the same thing.

Jesse Ventura: There could be a few exceptions, yeah.

David Asman: But, governor, we have to be realistic. There is not a third party right now. I mean, if there was, I think I’d be one of the first persons to pull the lever.

Jesse Ventura: Well, you know why that is, it’s because the media helps the two party system to survive. They won’t give…

David Asman: Well, not this media.

Jesse Ventura: Why was it… wait a minute, why was it when Ross Perot got one out of five votes in 1992 or 20 percent, he wasn’t allowed to debate in 1996. Where was the media on that? Just tell me about it.

David Asman: Well, this particular media wasn’t there at that particular time, but it is now.

Jesse Ventura: But the point of the matter is…

David Asman: And we’d be happy to give coverage to a viable third party candidate. Where is he?

Jesse Ventura: Well, again, you know, we’ve got to climb the ladder again and try to make that available out there. I protest vote. I think that in every election, be it local, statewide or national, they should give you the option of “none of the above”, and people laugh at that. But what that is, that’s a protest vote. It’s a vote of no confidence in your government and I’d be willing to bet there would be certain elections where none of the above would actually win and that’s a start.

David Asman: You know, I think that’s a terrific idea. In fact, they do that. In some cases, they do that in Italy and very often none of the above wins the vote, but what do you then?

Jesse Ventura: Well, wouldn’t that send the message? I mean, imagine if you got elected to office, but you lost to none of the above. Well, that would make me re-think a few positions. It’s a start.

David Asman: Yeah.

Jesse Ventura: You can’t climb a mountain without taking the first step.

David Asman: That’s true. That’s true. That’s true. Well, maybe that’s the place to begin.

Jesse Ventura: And you’ve got to take these small steps in which to achieve what you want to achieve. You can’t just leap over the mountain and say it so, especially when the two parties control everything about the system.

David Asman: Got you. We’ve got to leave it at that. Governor Jesse Ventura. Governor, you’re welcome back any time. Thanks very much.

Jesse Ventura: Well, let me finish by saying this. When I ran for governor, I only raised $300,000.

David Asman: Yeah.

Jesse Ventura: That’s fiscal control. We only had one person paid.

David Asman: Unbelievable.

Jesse Ventura: All the rest were volunteers, but they don’t like you to know that stuff.

David Asman: If you cut the Fed out of this government out of what’s going on behind me, there wouldn’t be a city of Washington, DC.

Jesse Ventura: Thank you. Well, I could do it if you’d elect me president, but unfortunately, I’m not running.

David Asman: I guess your wife won’t let you…

Jesse Ventura: I certain…

David Asman: Some day, you’ve got to talk to your wife into doing that, all right, into letting you run.

Jesse Ventura: Well, my wife has nothing to do it. She has nothing to do with it.

David Asman: All right.

Jesse Ventura: Surfing. Surfing. The ocean don’t lie.

David Asman: You love surfing.

Jesse Ventura: Thanks, guys.

5/21/2009

Alex Jones: Okay, let’s go and play some of this video of Jesse Ventura for our PrisonPlanet.tv viewers, audio for the listeners on the radio. Because we have hours and hours and we didn’t put this on the web for some reason. And I notice it’s all over the news when he talks about he can water board Cheney and make him say he killed Sharon Taite and how ridiculous water boarding is. Here is part of that clip, then we’ll go on a break, come back with the rest of it and then go live with Jesse Ventura. Stay with us.

Jesse Ventura: Our country today is not the country that I defended when I was in the service back in the 1970s and 1960s, because back in those days you still had to be charged with the crime before you were guilty of it, and back in those days you had to be charged with the crime to be held. It seems today now they can arrest you, they can hold you for as long as they feel like it, like they’re doing in Guantanamo.

Alex Jones: The Military Commission Act says they can grab American citizens.

Jesse Ventura: Which is absurd.

Alex Jones: How was it then that the people running things aren’t the bad guys, I’m not saying America is the bad guy, when they wrote memos saying its okay to torture people, children in front of their parents it’s okay. To kill them if you didn’t mean to kill them along the torture or the enhanced interrogation techniques, and so they play the lawyer game of saying, “Well, we don’t call electric shocks or pulling out finger nails torture, we call it enhanced interrogation”, and then play that lawyer mind game. Can you speak about that?

Jesse Ventura: I think I don’t know about all of that but I will speak directly about water boarding.

Alex Jones: Yea, I mean specifically about torture. You are saying that is not torture?

Jesse Ventura: I will always speak about water boarding. I was water boarded. I was water boarded by my own country. Now, if we call water boarding torture, then why do we torture our own soldiers? And I’m not saying water boarding isn’t torture, it is. I deem it as torture. But yet I was water boarded, everybody that I knew was water boarded because it was part of what they called SERE school, which is Survival Escape Resistance & Evasion. It was a required course if you were going into the combat zone back in the era of Vietnam. I’m sure it’s probably still required today.

Alex Jones: Yea, they were getting them ready to be tortured and to resist, and it’s listed in those army manuals as torture, so that disproves the White House letter saying it isn’t torture.

Jesse Ventura: Well, my simple response to all this, Alex, is I would like to take our five time deferred Vice President Dick Cheney, I would like to water board him.

Alex Jones: Ha-ha.

Jesse Ventura: And let him then make the determination after having been water boarded, then we’ll ask him whether he thinks it’s torture or not. I got a feeling he’d drop dead with the heart that he has today. If you water boarded Dick Cheney I feel that he would become a fatality because his weak heart wouldn’t be able to take it. But my point being on doing that is I think these people that determine what torture is or isn’t, I think they should first have it done to them physically, and then let them make an actual determination on whether they felt it was torture or not.

Alex Jones: Can you describe what water boarding was like.

Jesse Ventura: Drowning. It gives a complete sensation that you are drowning.

Alex Jones: What do they do?

Jesse Ventura: They strap you down, they put a towel across your face and they start pouring water into the towel and naturally your mouth can’t consume all the water, you can’t drink it quick enough as they pour it, and it gives you the sensation it’s going up your nose, it’s going down your throat and it gives you the complete feeling that you are drowning, even though you’re not. The moment they stop it, you know, then it will subside.

Alex Jones: But that’s the feel water boarding, when they put your head completely in a bath tub.

Jesse Ventura: I don’t know about that one. The only time we got was the feel water boarding back in the early 1970s.

Alex Jones: That’s the classic one, man.

Jesse Ventura: They did it to all of us at SERE school, it was part of the training and so my argument there is if water boarding is indeed torture, which think it is, how come we allow to torture. And for us UDT SEAL guys, getting us water boarded was irrelevant. No, and I’ll say that, it was irrelevant. Because in our platoons and in all the people that I served with, we all had an agreement; we would never be captured, we’ll die first. So why would I need to face the water board if I am dead? All of us were under an agreement that we will die first, we will not be captured, we will go down in a blaze of glory. So why did I need to be water boarded when I had already made a conscious decision that if it ever got to the position where I felt I was going to be captured, I would take death first. And you know, I would say my attitude was I’ll take three or four of them with me before I go. Because always remember the SEALs we don’t get mad, we get even.

Alex Jones: Ha ha ha ha.

Jesse Ventura: That’s how we operate, you know. So, to me I felt that the water boarding and the whole POW thing was irrelevant to us because there has never been a SEAL captured, nor do I believe there ever will be one, because the SEAL will die first in our type of operation. The only way they’d capture a SEAL was if the SEAL didn’t know he was going to get captured and then he got captured.

Alex Jones: There he is, Jesse Ventura somewhere in time six months ago when he was here in Austin, Texas. What a great guy in person, just a regular guy, but quite an individual, quite a presence. I’ve been around a lot of famous people in my life, I’ve never been around anybody who has the presence of Jesse Ventura, and the energy. People say, “I’ll wear him out”. I was worn out after few days of hanging out with this guy. And he’s going to be coming up for a full hour coming up on June 1st. He’s been on a huge media blitz with a paperback “Don’t Start the Revolution Without Me” put up by Skyhorse Publishing. It’s a big best seller and he’s got a lot of news for us today and I got a lot of questions for him in the 25 minutes we got left. Jesse Ventura, thanks for coming on. It’s good to have you back here.

Jesse Ventura: Hi Alex, I guess it’s nice to be back but I don’t know, Mexico gets more attractive all the time.

Alex Jones: It absolutely does, are you kidding? I would love to be down there in the beach and the surf as well. I went down to Mexico for a week few months ago and I wanted to stay. Speaking of Mexico let’s bring up a question you haven’t been asked: what do you think about all the hype of this flu. A couple of people dying and they act like it’s the end of the world and Obama saying that we may all be forced to take and inoculation in the fall.

Jesse Ventura: Well, it’s certainly something that you don’t poo poo. Any time you get a sickness like this you need to pay attention to it, but I think it was completely overhyped by the media to put the country again into a scare pattern, which seems to be what the media enjoys to do now, which is to cause fear and have everyone living in fear.

What they need to understand is that okay, if there were 1,500 cases of it in Mexico City, yes that’s something to be very concerned about. I was down there and I felt the Mexicans did a terrific job with what they could do. They closed down the schools, they shut down all the soccer games, they did everything conceivably that they could do. But remember, Mexico is a city 2 or 3 times the size of New York.

Alex Jones: Yea, it’s 30+ million.

Jesse Ventura: 20 million people live there.

Alex Jones: More than that.

Jesse Ventura: 1,500 cases of something is not that large, and I’m not saying it shouldn’t be looked at, of course. But when I came home, I went to the airport because I flew this time. They made you fill out a questionnaire, they asked you questions about how you felt and then they actually had this device where they touched it to your wrist and it took your temperature and they wrote that down and you weren’t allowed to fly out if your temperature was too high, you didn’t get on the plane. Mexico did everything they could within their power when they learnt that the swine flu was going around, they did everything conceivably as a poor nation that they could possibly do.

Alex Jones: Well governor, I agree with you but I agree with the first thing you said; this was used to create hype and fear and the openly introduce ideas like “we might need to have martial law, there’s going to be another break out soon” and it’s this whole infrastructure. Getting to the big national controversy, you caused quite a buzz and helped, really accidently, push it back into the spotlight, that Cheney and Bush committed all these crimes, ordered torture and then burned their own underlings and sent them to prison for it and are now denying it when we have their own memos from Gonzales and others and Bush’s speech.

What should be done, what’s your idea? A hearing in Congress? They’ll just white wash it. I mean if we don’t bring Bush and Cheney to justice and if Obama covers for them, as he said he’s going to “move forward”. I mean, what do we do about this from your view.

Jesse Ventura: First of all, let’s understand why the President wants to “move forward”. Because the Democrats are involved, too.

Alex Jones: Yes. Good point.

Jesse Ventura: Maybe they didn’t order it, but in my opinion they certainly knew it was going on and they didn’t step forward because, let’s remember, Democrats truly don’t have spines for the most part. And so they condoned it and went along with it. That’s why they don’t want to continue with it.

Whenever the government tells you that it’s time to move on that means that both parties are involved and both of them did something wrong. They don’t want you to know about it, so they want you to move on. And so that’s the dilemma you’re faced with. And in light of the fact that it’s all basically Democrats and Republicans in the Congress and everywhere out there, they’re going to move on and we’ll be left like we always are, Alex. Yelling out there, “Where’s justice?” Justice will have been lost, blinded.

Alex Jones: Well, that’s my next question to you. I mean from your perspective, how do we get out of this left-right, as you described when we interviewed you… two different wrestlers play the bad guy and the good guy, but really they’re on the same team. How do we get past that and ever get these special interest and these elites out of the way that are doing this to us?

Jesse Ventura: Well Alex, that’s simple. The lemmings out there have to start voting for the independents. Look how we tried our asses off to get Dean Barkley elected. He did very, very well, he got over 400,000 votes. But we have to continue from there and keep going. The only way is to win elections. The only way is to not vote for Democrats and Republicans and stop being lemmings and believing it’s your only choice. Can it be done? I don’t know.

Alex Jones: Absolutely, it’s like a Don King boxing match. You know both fighters are owned by him, so what’s the point of watching. And you know it’s a rigged deal.

Jesse Ventura: Oh Alex, common, so is wrestling and that’s entertaining as hell.

Alex Jones: Hey, speaking of that, you went to UFC and saw one of those events, didn’t you? You still think it might be fake?

Jesse Ventura: Oh, the Ultimate fighting?

Alex Jones: Yea.

Jesse Ventura: Let me put it to you this way. Brock Lesnar who is the champ now, right?

Alex Jones: Yes.

Jesse Ventura: Brock Lesnar told me that pro wrestling is tougher.

Alex Jones: Really?

Jesse Ventura: Yea, that kind of stuns you, doesn’t it? But you know why he says it? Here’s why: Brock told me pro wrestling is harder because in ultimate fighting he only has to go in there for 15 minutes of hell, then he takes 2 to 3 months rest, he trains for 2 months and he goes back in for 15 minutes of hell.

While in pro wrestling you got to wrestle every night, you got to do interviews, you got to travel all over the country from one end to the other. It’s the most exhausting business you can possibly be in.

So that’s why. Do I think they’re really fighting? Yes I do. But the point is it’s only for 15 minutes and then they get a 6 month rest.

Alex Jones: Have you seen the move “The Wrestler”?

Jesse Ventura: No I have not, I just got back from Mexico.

Alex Jones: I want to get your take on that.

Jesse Ventura: Well, I can tell you this. Rather than what Hulk Hogan says it’s about him, no it’s not. From what I know about the film, I believe it’s about Jake ‘The Snake’ Roberts much more, because if you go to a movie that was a documentary called ‘Beyond The Mat’ that was done by a friend of mine, Barry Blowsky.

If you go watch that movie you’ll see that this character very much parallels the Mickey Rourke Character and the fact that he went through ups and down, he achieved the greatest in his career and he ended up down in the bottom again and he had a great deal of battle with a lot of demons including a daughter. In the documentary it shows Jake’s rough relationship with his daughter, which very much parallels the Rourke character in the movie “The Wrestler”.

Alex Jones: Well, obviously it’s not about Hulk Hogan. It’s about a guy who’s living in a trailer shack and is totally broke and has a heart attack. I mean, Hogan is something else, I guess, complete ego maniac.

Jesse Ventura: Oh yea, Hogan’s out there saying “just because the guy says ‘brother’ it’s about me”. Hahaha. I don’t think so.

Alex Jones: Hey, by the way I loved what you revealed about Hogan the other day, I happened to hear that.

Jesse Ventura: Hahahaha.

Alex Jones: Don’t do it here.

Jesse Ventura: No, I won’t.

Alex Jones: This is a conservative show, but it was hilarious. Oh my goodness.

Jesse Ventura: Don’t forget something, we Navy SEALs don’t get mad, we get even.

Alex Jones: Well, I’ve got you for a full hour to take calls in about 8, 9 days. We appreciate your time a lot. I’ll get more into all that other stuff and all the serious issues, but tell us about the paperback “Don’t Start the Revolution Without Me”.

Jesse Ventura: Well, you know, because the epilogue was not outdated, I don’t know if they removed it, but I added a couple of good chapters and we updated it, which is what they always do when a hardcover goes to paperback. But I updated a few chapters in it and all that stuff, but again it’s a wakeup call. I hope this country will wake up to the fact that, you know, dissension is the greatest form of patriotism and the fact that if you don’t hold your government officials feet to the fire you’re going to get bad government and that’s good, that’s not a unpatriotic.

And we better start taking our country back or we’re going to lose it because, Alex, you know, to me if we’re torturing people now, that means the terrorists are winning. Because they’re changing America and that’s what they’ve set out to do. Do we really want them to win? I don’t.

Alex Jones: Well, Jesse, I mean, governor, you’re a smart guy and we’ve had a lot of talks and I know you’re getting deeper into whole underworld of the New World Order and all this and you’re doing a lot more research on it and working on a lot of projects, a book and a TV show and the rest of it. I don’t know how much of that we can get into, but some of that’s got a gag order on it, because as it’s being produced right now.

But we talk about the buildings clearly being blown up and then the question is who could put them in there, who could do it. I know you’ve been in Mexico, but now they’ve had top scientists, two peer reviewed journals, top Dutch physicists have come out, international news, BBC, national TV in Europe confirming that they actually got the thermite samples from the buildings. They were blown up with explosive thermite.

Then you have the folks at NEST that are recovering all the substance that happened to be three of the top seven or so experts of thermite in the world. So common, this whole terrorist thing; it’s a fraud. They’ve used this to take our liberties, to take our freedoms and the same elite that was in control and when Bush was in control, they control Obama. Aren’t you worried that they’re talking about going into Iran now and aren’t you worried the same global elite might stage more terror attacks, or you think that was just Bush?

Jesse Ventura: Well, I don’t know. I guess I hate to say it but until they do something, we won’t know, will we Alex? Because we’re not on the inner circle. We’re not sitting in on the meetings where the decisions are made, so I can only respond as it happens. I guess the Iranians blew off a missile, you know, they showed some film of some missile going up in the air. Do I really know they did it? I don’t know.

You know, you get to the point, especially with our news media today that you don’t know what to believe and what not to believe. Initially you come out and they make you believe something, and then sort of six months later you learn other things that make you disbelieve what they told you, so when they tell me something today I don’t know whether to believe it or not.

Alex Jones: Absolutely, Jesse. Let me bring this question up to you then. On 08-08-2008 I get up, CNN says Russia has snuck attacked Georgia, then I get to the office and I’m watching foreign TV and even reading down deep in the Associated Press that Georgia’s snuck attacked South Ossetia, and two days later they admitted “Okay, it was all a PR stunt. NATO and US troops were there advising the sneak attack on the Russians”. I mean that’s how much our media and government will lie, is that they will launch sneak attacks on Russian territories. Does that sound like a good idea to you, Jesse?

Jesse Ventura: No, not at all. You know, that sounds to me like you know, if can go back in history… is Howard Hunt still alive? [...] That sounds like the stuff they would do in Cuba back down in the days of the Bay of Pigs and all that stuff when our CIA was down there trying to overthrow Castro secretly and making attempts at blowing up ships in the harbor and doing all that sort of behavior. It reminds me of the stuff that went on in Central America, doing the whole Iran-Contra conflict. What this country has got to do is to get its head out of its you-know-what and start realizing that there is a reason why these people don’t like us out there in the world. And a lot of it has got to do with our behavior.

Alex Jones: I agree, and these corrupt offshore elites that are using the United States as their tool, their front man, their strongman, their engine to carry this out. Can you talk about what we discussed this morning in that conversation about how you are discovering more and more stuff, you’re writing a book about conspiracies? The point about Lincoln, or do you just want to not get into that?

Jesse Ventura: Oh no, that’s fine. The story I can tell you is this. Dick Russel, my co-writer, he brought this to my attention. He sat me down and we were down together in the Baja, and he just looked at me and he said, “Governor, what do you know about the murder of Abraham Lincoln? What were you taught in school?” And I said, “Well, what I recall that I was taught in school was that Abraham and his wife went to the Ford movie theatre and then John Wilkes snuck up behind him, shot him in the head, tried to jump from the balcony, hooked his leg on something and broke his leg, they trailed him to a cabin and killed him.” I said that’s what I was taught, and Dick said to me, “So they never taught you that there were actually seven people arrested, tried and convicted for the assignation of Abraham Lincoln and the attempt on Ulysses S. Grant and Vice President Johnson?” I said, “I never heard a word about that until you told me about that right now”. And so what causes me concern is that I don’t know why don’t we put that in our school books about what really happened and that there was this literal attempt from the confederacy to assassinate three of the top union leaders, the President, the Vice President, and General Grant.

Alex Jones: The issue is why isn’t this put in school books, regardless of what side of this you’re on?

Jesse Ventura: Yeah. Why don’t they write the truth about history, and it scares me to death to think, “Okay, what can you believe in our history books that our children are reading today?” Are they going to continue to tell us that Lee Harvey Oswald killed Jack Kennedy when there is enough evidence out there that indicates that if he did take part in it, he certainly didn’t do it alone.

Alex Jones: Well governor, here is another one. It is mainline history even in Shire’s “Rise and Fall of the Third Reich” which was Pulitzer prize winning. It’s in all the major mainline history books, but it’s never on Discovery channel, the History channel and the news. Did you know that the British and U.S. governments actually funded Hitler? That Edward the Eight, the king, was a Nazi, he had to escape Germany when the war started and that the West basically told Hitler to go ahead and do what he did and that they were going to back him and they turned against him? Hitler’s still evil, the point is that that’s why they let the British escape at Dunkirk and all that. That’s why the Reich Fuhrer came in and parachuted to England with the peace treaty saying, “I have the peace treaty. Why are you doing this? We had a deal!”

Jesse Ventura: Alex, I have to tell you I don’t know any of that, I have to claim ignorance. I’ve never studied it, probably should but you know there are only so many hours in the day.

Alex Jones: I know, exactly, I’m saying you’re a prominent guy. Get your writer to look into that, because that’s something that is mainline, Pulitzer prize. It’s just in there like it’s no big deal. It’s kind of like an elephant in the living room and nobody is even pointing it out.

Jesse Ventura: Yea, you can’t see the forest for the trees.

Alex Jones: Absolutely.

Jesse Ventura: Okay, that’s interesting stuff. The book we’re going to write though is going to deal with multiple conspiracies through the years and cover them and hopefully make people think a little bit and make them realize. Because I still sit back and say “You’re telling me all the assassinations of the 1960s were all done by lone nuts?” You know, I lived through them and I just can’t believe that there wasn’t one more person involved than who they told us.

Alex Jones: Well, it’s now come out that Patty Hearst and the Weatherman, that was all staged, that’s mainstream declassified and every time I hear about mad bombers that are about to blow something up… I was in the shower this morning with the radio on listening to MPR and they admitted this latest group of idiots they found in New York… they admit, “oh by the way, the informants set up the group, were leading it and gave them the explosives”.

Jesse Ventura: Well, I’ll tell you Alex, you know more than I do on that stuff. I can’t comment on it because I have no idea.

Alex Jones: Well, you’re a very smart guy and you got a lot of courage, Jesse. And you’ve certainly have been learning a lot of stuff I didn’t know about and you taught me quite a bit about things that have happened.

Jesse Ventura: Well, you got to remember Alex, you’re here all the time now. I take a leave of absence for six months.

Alex Jones: Well, I think that’s good. I think you deserve it after all that you’ve done. Speaking of that, they keep asking you, are you going to run for the Senate? Are you going to run for governor? Are you ever going to run for office again?

Jesse Ventura: At this time, no. I don’t but I never say never because, you know, I can’t predict the future, I can’t predict that something won’t happen that would inspire me to do it again. But right now I don’t have the fire in my belly to go for it. Like the Senate race, it really came down to flipping a coin. I let destiny determine it. But the other main reason was that I thought about, you know, at my age now that’s six years of my life that I got to go hang out with people I don’t even like?

Alex Jones: Yea, they are…

Jesse Ventura: That is difficult to do, you know at this point in my life. I’ve only got so many more years on the planet. I’m closing in on 60 years old and I want to enjoy myself and to go out there and hang around with them people for six years, that would be like, why don’t I just go and put myself in prison.

Alex Jones: Well, Governor Ventura, I understand. And that’s the problem. Evil people will scrabble and claw to get power. They’ll knaw through steel to get it, and then good guys like you, they don’t want power so they do something to fight the evil but then at a certain point they get so disgusted by the elitists that they don’t even want to get involved in it. I don’t blame you.

Jesse Ventura: If I get that disgusted you know I’ll be back.

Alex Jones: Absolutely. So that’s a little hint that you’re going to be back in the future. We’ll talk a lot coming up on June 1st; we’re going to give you exactly one hour of the show you’re going to come on then. But Governor Ventura, the book is out in paperback. In closing, you talk about on TV water boarding Dick Cheney. I mean, this guy says it’s so great, it’s so wonderful, they admit 90+% of the people at Guantanamo bay are totally innocent, they were just picked up by bounty hunters at $25,000 a piece. Most of them are 14, 15 years old. The intelligence they used to scare everybody came from torture. I mean I think if Cheney says “water boarding is no big deal”, I mean maybe he should show us that it is no big deal. Can you comment on that?

Jesse Ventura: Well, first of all, I made the quote, I said it on Larry King, that if you gave me a water board, Dick Cheney and one hour, I’d have him confessing to the Tate murders.

Alex Jones: Hahaha.

Jesse Ventura: Well, I have to amend that though, Alex, I don’t think I could accomplish that, you know why?

Alex Jones: Why?

Jesse Ventura: His heart ain’t good enough, he wouldn’t be alive for an hour to even confess.

Alex Jones: Exactly, exactly.

Jesse Ventura: And that tells you how bad water boarding is. Because I do not believe Dick Cheney physically could take it, you know, with the heart that he has. Doing this to people and for calling it another name called “enhanced interrogation”, well, that’s baloney because torture is torture and they’re like jury-picking. They say, “You can’t torture a person from the United Sates but if the person comes from somewhere else in the world, torture is okay”.

Alex Jones: Yea, that was my last question. What about the Department of Homeland Security documents that came out listing conservatives, gun owners, returning veterans as the number one terror threat and that Homeland Security set up for them, and then it made the news…and we broke that news… that when we were out having an “End The Fed” rally with Ron Paul, the army was spying on us in Texas.

Jesse Ventura: Well, that’s because you’re in Texas. You can’t do nothing in Texas.

Alex Jones: No, but what do you think about that DHS report trying to list the American people as the terrorist.

Jesse Ventura: Well, again I don’t know Alex, that’s only stuff you know. And it’s not that I don’t believe you, but I can only speak about stuff that I actually know about, and I’ll say this:

Alex Jones: Yea, I know you have been down in Mexico. Yea, go ahead.

Jesse Ventura: If we’re not vigilant, we’re going to lose our freedoms, because it’s a natural progression. If you look down through the annals of history you will always see it happening. Unless the citizenry takes control… in fact, let me say this, Alex, I’ll finish like this: They won’t release the photos of our torture, right?

Alex Jones: Yes.

Jesse Ventura: Well, then how about if I step forward of behalf of the tax payers and the citizens of the great United States of America, and I want to go public with this. I’ll let you break it. I will represent us, let me go where these photos are. Let me go inside and see them and let me come out and report back as to what these photos are. I think I have the right to do that, I think they no right to keep me from that, you know why? I pay their salary and I’m a governor, I’m a mayor, I’m a former Navy SEAL, I had a top secret security clearance, I think I am fully qualified to walk in and view these photos on behalf of all the…

Alex Jones: Jess, so we can finish I am going to go one min over right now. We’re going to keep going on the web, InfoWars.com. We’re going to cut that feed.

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May 18, 2009

Sean Hannity: He shocked the nation back in 1998 when he stormed onto the political scene and won Minnesota’s race. Now former Minnesota governor, pro wrestler and Navy SEAL, Jesse “The Body” Ventura is considering perhaps another political comeback? His book, “Don’t start the revolution without me” describes his outrage at the state of affairs in the U.S. It is now out in paperback.

Good to see you.

Jesse Ventura: Good to see you, Sean, always.

Sean Hannity: I’ll tell you, he has been yelling at me ever since he walked into the green room today.

Jesse Ventura: I don’t yell at anyone. I speak to people. It’s your reputation that precedes you.

Sean Hannity: You were just right on me. Well, you said you didn’t think you would like me until you met me. Didn’t you say that to me?

Jesse Ventura: Yeah.

Sean Hannity: What didn’t you like about me?

Jesse Ventura: I don’t always care for how you operate and the bullying of guests and things like that.

Sean Hannity: I don’t bully, oh stop. I couldn’t bully you for a million. I couldn’t bully you. You’d slap me down so hard.

Jesse Ventura: You can bully other people. You do it to other people and I get irritated when I see that at home.

Sean Hannity: You say you have been out surfing the past 6 months. Have you really been in Mexico surfing for six months?

Jesse Ventura: No. Unfortunately only for three months because my brother in law was diagnosed with Lou Gehrig’s Disease on October 2nd and he passed on January 14th. So I didn’t get to Mexico till the end of January because he was my wife’s younger brother and she stayed home and took care of him until his passing. It’s a horrible disease, it’s an awful disease.

Sean Hannity: I’m sorry. I know somebody right now that has it. It’s terrible. It’s horrible.

Jesse Ventura: Scott LeDoux the boxer has it.

Sean Hannity: Is it true?

Jesse Ventura: Yeah.

Sean Hannity: Look, we can go down the old road of our battle. You do not like the Bush administration, you don’t like Dick Cheney. I got that, I understand that. But I want to ask you some new questions if you are game.

Jesse Ventura: Sure.

Sean Hannity: What do you think of Barack Obama?

Jesse Ventura: I think he is exceptionally intelligent when you hear him speak.

Sean Hannity: He reads a teleprompter, oh common.

Jesse Ventura: Well at least we got a President now who can read a teleprompter. You know we didn’t have for many years.

Sean Hannity: That’s not a sign of intelligence.

Jesse Ventura: Yes it is.

Sean Hannity: No, it’s not.

Jesse Ventura: If you’re not capable of reading a teleprompter… No, I’ll say this; I think he is very intelligent. I think it’s far too early to be judgmental. Because let’s face it, he inherited a mess. Wait. He inherited two wars, he inherited an economy in the tank, I wouldn’t wish that on my worst enemy.

Sean Hannity: Well, George Bush inherited a recession. George Bush inherited the negative impact of 9-11… let me finish.

Jesse Ventura: No he didn’t.

Sean Hannity: Oh yes he did. Oh yes he did.

Jesse Ventura: Alright, alright, alright. You’re telling me that the United States was better off after George Bush or before him?

Sean Hannity: After.

Jesse Ventura: Oh my God. How can you make that statement?

Sean Hannity: I just did, and you want me to tell you why?

Jesse Ventura: I don’t feel the need for me to talk to you about it then. This is ridiculous. This country was far better off before George Bush than it is after.

Sean Hannity: No. You want me to quote to you the 9-11 commission report?

Jesse Ventura: Hahahaha.

Sean Hannity: I’m glad I can make you laugh.

Jesse Ventura: When you bring up the 9-11 commission that makes me laugh because they didn’t investigate nothing.

Sean Hannity: Well, I agree and to one extent you’re partially right. But they did get one thing right, that there were a group of radicals that were at war with the United States and we were in a war with them. We saw the first Trade Center bombing, the embassy bombings, the USS Cole and we have radicals that think God is going to reward them in heaven with virgins, Jesse. How do you stop them? What do you do?

Jesse Ventura: You pay attention to memos on August 6th that tell you exactly what Bin Laden’s going to do. Instead we hear Condaleeza Rice saying, “I didn’t know what they were going to do” and the memo says, “Bin Laden said to hijack planes and ram them into buildings”.

Sean Hannity: I have a better idea.

Jesse Ventura: And your buddy George Bush, he was on vacation in Crawford at that time. Did you know he took over 900 days of vacationing?

Sean Hannity: So what? Presidents are never off. Do you know that… let me give you an example.

Jesse Ventura: This one was. He wasn’t on his watch because the biggest attack in history happened on his watch.

Sean Hannity: I wrote about this in my first book, I’ll give you a copy of it before you leave here. Bill Clinton was offered Osama Bin Laden on a silver platter by the Sudan and we passed on him five times. So I don’t want to hear lectures about George Bush and Bin Laden. He did keep us safe, he did put us on a war foot.

Jesse Ventura: Wait, let’s see. George Bush was bailed out of one of his bad business deals by Salem Bin Laden, Osama’s brother. You don’t think there is a connection there? Common!

Sean Hannity: Let me ask you this: Do you not think the quadrupling of our national debt in one year. Would you do that if you were President?

Jesse Ventura: No. I don’t know. Because I was talking about the deficit before the election and you notice that term never came up.

Sean Hannity: I agree.

Jesse Ventura: Through the entire John McCain Osama Bin Laden election nobody would touch the deficit with a ten foot pole. You know who first brought up the deficit? Ross Perot. That’s right. And so don’t come at me that all that the Republicans do is they spend like Democrats, only they charge it. At least the Democrats go cash and carry. The Republicans do the same thing and charge it.

Sean Hannity: But in one year to quadruple the deficit, to have the CBO tell us that in ten years…

Jesse Ventura: Whose going to be left with this?

Sean Hannity: Our kids and grandkids.

Jesse Ventura: That was George Bush’s fault.

Sean Hannity: No, that’s not true. This deficit is Obama’s deficit. This is Obama’s spending. Obama did it in one year.

Jesse Ventura: He did it to fix George Bush’s mess.

Sean Hannity: You just hate Bush so much that you can’t see straight. You can’t see straight.

Jesse Ventura: No, you can’t see straight because you’re so conservative all you do is back the conservatives no matter what they do.

Sean Hannity: Wrong. You haven’t listened to me for 5, 6 years criticizing Republicans for spending too much money. Say that’s right Mister [...].

Jesse Ventura: Mister? You’re not my officer.

Sean Hannity: I’m not. Jesse “The Body” good to see you. You had a good time?

Jesse Ventura: I’m done already? This is it?

Sean Hannity: That’s it.

Jesse Ventura: Geez, you didn’t even get to any good topics.

Sean Hannity: Because you insist on going over the old topic and I knew you would do this.

Jesse Ventura: Because I need to pound it home to people to have them realize that Barack Obama inherited this mess. Republicans had the Congress for six years and they had the Presidency.

Sean Hannity: Well, now it’s Obama’s mess and Obama quadrupled the deficit in one year and we’ll see what happens to our kids and grandkids.

Jesse Ventura: Okay well, George Bush got a bailout too, didn’t he? And you know what’s interesting, Republicans voted for it when it was George Bush’s bailout, but they wouldn’t vote for it when it was Obama’s. That’s politics at its worst. That’s putting your party before the country.

Sean Hannity: I am a Reagan conservative.

Jesse Ventura: Well, I am a Goldwater conservative.

Sean Hannity: I am Reagan conservative. We just disagree on the social issues on many things. Reagan gave us the longest period of peace-time economic growth. He ended the Cold War and he took on evil in his time and I love him for it.

Jesse Ventura: Okay.

Sean Hannity: And Bush kept us safe. Goodbye, thank you.

Jesse Ventura: Kept us safe! The biggest attack in history on his watch. Don’t tell me he kept us safe.

Sean Hannity: Thank you.

Jesse Ventura: No, I’ll thank George Bush who doesn’t read memos and goes on vacations and sleeps.

Sean Hannity: You should thank Bill Clinton for not taking Bin Laden when he was offered.

Jesse Ventura: Well, I’ll put it to you this way. I’d rather have a thousand Monicas than all these 9-11s and the terrorists.

Sean Hannity: I don’t know why I like you, but I do.

Jesse Ventura: Because I tell you the truth, that’s why.

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Elisabeth Hasselbeck: I know your mind is pretty made up about waterboarding, correct? You were waterboarded as part of your Navy Seal training, correct?

Jesse Ventura: Well, it wasn’t part of the Navy seal training, it was part of what they call SERE school: Survival, Escape, Resistance, Evasion. It’s a school they required you to go to prior to the combat zone of Vietnam. And yes, we were all water boardedthere, and yes it is torture.

What do you think about Nancy Pelosi in terms of what she has been claiming about the CIA lying to the Congress?

Jesse Ventura: I think what’s worst is this: the fact that it happened. If we hadn’t waterboarded to begin with, none of this would be a controversy, would it? Torture is torture. If you’re going to be a country that follows the rule of law, which we are, torture is illegal.

Elisabeth Hasselbeck: But these were specifically approved techniques with KSM, okay?

Jesse Ventura: Approved by whom?

Elisabeth Hasselbeck: Khalid Sheikh Mohamed, the information we extracted from him before water boarding was zip. Afterward waterboarding he released the information.

Jesse Ventura: No, he released all the information before waterboarding.

Elisabeth Hasselbeck: This was a case that was used three times.

Jesse Ventura: The point is this. Alright, wait a minute. If waterboarding is ok, then why don’t we let our police do it to suspects so they can learn what they know?

Elisabeth Hasselbeck: That’s an interesting question. I have a similar question.

Jesse Ventura: If waterboarding is okay, why didn’t we water board McVeigh and Nicholas, the Oklahoma City bombers, to find out if there were more people involved?

Elisabeth Hasselbeck: Well, what is your answer to that? Why didn’t we?

Jesse Ventura: Well, I don’t know. We only seem to waterboard Muslims. Have we waterboarded anyone else? Name me someone else we have waterboarded.

Lady Participant: Well, one of the things that’s coming out now is that they were waterboarding them to get a connection between Iraq and Al Qaida. And that the reason they waterboarded them was to get information so they could justify their invasion of Iraq. How does that work into your theory on how great it is?

Elisabeth Hasselbeck: I’m not saying it’s great, okay? I’m not saying, “Hey everybody, let’s go next door and get waterboarded”. I’m concerned right now about Nancy Pelosi who was supposedly briefed.

Other Members: She is lying. She lies.

Jesse Ventura: They want her out now, right? Because she lied. Well, why didn’t they ask for Bush and Cheney to go out when they lied about why we went into Iraq?

Elisabeth Hasselbeck: Senator Hillary Clinton was right there with them, as were many Democrats.

Jesse Ventura: The point is, nothing’s going to happen because they’re all involved? The Democrats and Republicans are both involved, that’s why President Obama is backing off from it. And we’re not going to do it now. It’s a good thing I’m not the President, I’m an independent. Because I would prosecute the people who did it, I would prosecute the people who ordered it, and they would all go to jail.

Elisabeth Hasselbeck: Would you prosecute President Obama in the future going backwards when he ordered the killing of the Somali pirates? I mean, you have to think about everything that’s…

Jesse Ventura: There is a difference. That’s apples and oranges. You’re not talking about someone in custody who is supposedly under… okay how would we feel, look how outraged we were when waterboarding was done to our vets in Vietnam. Where do you think we learned it from? And we created the Hanoi Hilton right in Guantanamo. That’s our Hanoi Hilton. People have died there, people are tortured there. I’m ashamed of my country.

Elisabeth Hasselbeck: Extremist are not basing their behaviors on ours. I can guarantee that they’re out to get us no matter what.

Jesse Ventura: Should we stoop to their level? No. We should be above that.

Elisabeth Hasselbeck: Absolutely.

Jesse Ventura: Torture is wrong.

Elisabeth Hasselbeck: Torture is wrong but enhanced interrogation techniques are different.

Jesse Ventura: Enhanced interrogation techniques is Dick Chaney changing the word. Dick Cheney comes up with a new word to cover his ass. Hey, I have said it before, you give me a waterboard, 1 hour and Dick Chaney and I’ll have him confessing to the Sharon Tate murders.

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