Jesse Ventura on the Alex Jones Show

5/21/2009

Alex Jones: Okay, let’s go and play some of this video of Jesse Ventura for our PrisonPlanet.tv viewers, audio for the listeners on the radio. Because we have hours and hours and we didn’t put this on the web for some reason. And I notice it’s all over the news when he talks about he can water board Cheney and make him say he killed Sharon Taite and how ridiculous water boarding is. Here is part of that clip, then we’ll go on a break, come back with the rest of it and then go live with Jesse Ventura. Stay with us.

Jesse Ventura: Our country today is not the country that I defended when I was in the service back in the 1970s and 1960s, because back in those days you still had to be charged with the crime before you were guilty of it, and back in those days you had to be charged with the crime to be held. It seems today now they can arrest you, they can hold you for as long as they feel like it, like they’re doing in Guantanamo.

Alex Jones: The Military Commission Act says they can grab American citizens.

Jesse Ventura: Which is absurd.

Alex Jones: How was it then that the people running things aren’t the bad guys, I’m not saying America is the bad guy, when they wrote memos saying its okay to torture people, children in front of their parents it’s okay. To kill them if you didn’t mean to kill them along the torture or the enhanced interrogation techniques, and so they play the lawyer game of saying, “Well, we don’t call electric shocks or pulling out finger nails torture, we call it enhanced interrogation”, and then play that lawyer mind game. Can you speak about that?

Jesse Ventura: I think I don’t know about all of that but I will speak directly about water boarding.

Alex Jones: Yea, I mean specifically about torture. You are saying that is not torture?

Jesse Ventura: I will always speak about water boarding. I was water boarded. I was water boarded by my own country. Now, if we call water boarding torture, then why do we torture our own soldiers? And I’m not saying water boarding isn’t torture, it is. I deem it as torture. But yet I was water boarded, everybody that I knew was water boarded because it was part of what they called SERE school, which is Survival Escape Resistance & Evasion. It was a required course if you were going into the combat zone back in the era of Vietnam. I’m sure it’s probably still required today.

Alex Jones: Yea, they were getting them ready to be tortured and to resist, and it’s listed in those army manuals as torture, so that disproves the White House letter saying it isn’t torture.

Jesse Ventura: Well, my simple response to all this, Alex, is I would like to take our five time deferred Vice President Dick Cheney, I would like to water board him.

Alex Jones: Ha-ha.

Jesse Ventura: And let him then make the determination after having been water boarded, then we’ll ask him whether he thinks it’s torture or not. I got a feeling he’d drop dead with the heart that he has today. If you water boarded Dick Cheney I feel that he would become a fatality because his weak heart wouldn’t be able to take it. But my point being on doing that is I think these people that determine what torture is or isn’t, I think they should first have it done to them physically, and then let them make an actual determination on whether they felt it was torture or not.

Alex Jones: Can you describe what water boarding was like.

Jesse Ventura: Drowning. It gives a complete sensation that you are drowning.

Alex Jones: What do they do?

Jesse Ventura: They strap you down, they put a towel across your face and they start pouring water into the towel and naturally your mouth can’t consume all the water, you can’t drink it quick enough as they pour it, and it gives you the sensation it’s going up your nose, it’s going down your throat and it gives you the complete feeling that you are drowning, even though you’re not. The moment they stop it, you know, then it will subside.

Alex Jones: But that’s the feel water boarding, when they put your head completely in a bath tub.

Jesse Ventura: I don’t know about that one. The only time we got was the feel water boarding back in the early 1970s.

Alex Jones: That’s the classic one, man.

Jesse Ventura: They did it to all of us at SERE school, it was part of the training and so my argument there is if water boarding is indeed torture, which think it is, how come we allow to torture. And for us UDT SEAL guys, getting us water boarded was irrelevant. No, and I’ll say that, it was irrelevant. Because in our platoons and in all the people that I served with, we all had an agreement; we would never be captured, we’ll die first. So why would I need to face the water board if I am dead? All of us were under an agreement that we will die first, we will not be captured, we will go down in a blaze of glory. So why did I need to be water boarded when I had already made a conscious decision that if it ever got to the position where I felt I was going to be captured, I would take death first. And you know, I would say my attitude was I’ll take three or four of them with me before I go. Because always remember the SEALs we don’t get mad, we get even.

Alex Jones: Ha ha ha ha.

Jesse Ventura: That’s how we operate, you know. So, to me I felt that the water boarding and the whole POW thing was irrelevant to us because there has never been a SEAL captured, nor do I believe there ever will be one, because the SEAL will die first in our type of operation. The only way they’d capture a SEAL was if the SEAL didn’t know he was going to get captured and then he got captured.

Alex Jones: There he is, Jesse Ventura somewhere in time six months ago when he was here in Austin, Texas. What a great guy in person, just a regular guy, but quite an individual, quite a presence. I’ve been around a lot of famous people in my life, I’ve never been around anybody who has the presence of Jesse Ventura, and the energy. People say, “I’ll wear him out”. I was worn out after few days of hanging out with this guy. And he’s going to be coming up for a full hour coming up on June 1st. He’s been on a huge media blitz with a paperback “Don’t Start the Revolution Without Me” put up by Skyhorse Publishing. It’s a big best seller and he’s got a lot of news for us today and I got a lot of questions for him in the 25 minutes we got left. Jesse Ventura, thanks for coming on. It’s good to have you back here.

Jesse Ventura: Hi Alex, I guess it’s nice to be back but I don’t know, Mexico gets more attractive all the time.

Alex Jones: It absolutely does, are you kidding? I would love to be down there in the beach and the surf as well. I went down to Mexico for a week few months ago and I wanted to stay. Speaking of Mexico let’s bring up a question you haven’t been asked: what do you think about all the hype of this flu. A couple of people dying and they act like it’s the end of the world and Obama saying that we may all be forced to take and inoculation in the fall.

Jesse Ventura: Well, it’s certainly something that you don’t poo poo. Any time you get a sickness like this you need to pay attention to it, but I think it was completely overhyped by the media to put the country again into a scare pattern, which seems to be what the media enjoys to do now, which is to cause fear and have everyone living in fear.

What they need to understand is that okay, if there were 1,500 cases of it in Mexico City, yes that’s something to be very concerned about. I was down there and I felt the Mexicans did a terrific job with what they could do. They closed down the schools, they shut down all the soccer games, they did everything conceivably that they could do. But remember, Mexico is a city 2 or 3 times the size of New York.

Alex Jones: Yea, it’s 30+ million.

Jesse Ventura: 20 million people live there.

Alex Jones: More than that.

Jesse Ventura: 1,500 cases of something is not that large, and I’m not saying it shouldn’t be looked at, of course. But when I came home, I went to the airport because I flew this time. They made you fill out a questionnaire, they asked you questions about how you felt and then they actually had this device where they touched it to your wrist and it took your temperature and they wrote that down and you weren’t allowed to fly out if your temperature was too high, you didn’t get on the plane. Mexico did everything they could within their power when they learnt that the swine flu was going around, they did everything conceivably as a poor nation that they could possibly do.

Alex Jones: Well governor, I agree with you but I agree with the first thing you said; this was used to create hype and fear and the openly introduce ideas like “we might need to have martial law, there’s going to be another break out soon” and it’s this whole infrastructure. Getting to the big national controversy, you caused quite a buzz and helped, really accidently, push it back into the spotlight, that Cheney and Bush committed all these crimes, ordered torture and then burned their own underlings and sent them to prison for it and are now denying it when we have their own memos from Gonzales and others and Bush’s speech.

What should be done, what’s your idea? A hearing in Congress? They’ll just white wash it. I mean if we don’t bring Bush and Cheney to justice and if Obama covers for them, as he said he’s going to “move forward”. I mean, what do we do about this from your view.

Jesse Ventura: First of all, let’s understand why the President wants to “move forward”. Because the Democrats are involved, too.

Alex Jones: Yes. Good point.

Jesse Ventura: Maybe they didn’t order it, but in my opinion they certainly knew it was going on and they didn’t step forward because, let’s remember, Democrats truly don’t have spines for the most part. And so they condoned it and went along with it. That’s why they don’t want to continue with it.

Whenever the government tells you that it’s time to move on that means that both parties are involved and both of them did something wrong. They don’t want you to know about it, so they want you to move on. And so that’s the dilemma you’re faced with. And in light of the fact that it’s all basically Democrats and Republicans in the Congress and everywhere out there, they’re going to move on and we’ll be left like we always are, Alex. Yelling out there, “Where’s justice?” Justice will have been lost, blinded.

Alex Jones: Well, that’s my next question to you. I mean from your perspective, how do we get out of this left-right, as you described when we interviewed you… two different wrestlers play the bad guy and the good guy, but really they’re on the same team. How do we get past that and ever get these special interest and these elites out of the way that are doing this to us?

Jesse Ventura: Well Alex, that’s simple. The lemmings out there have to start voting for the independents. Look how we tried our asses off to get Dean Barkley elected. He did very, very well, he got over 400,000 votes. But we have to continue from there and keep going. The only way is to win elections. The only way is to not vote for Democrats and Republicans and stop being lemmings and believing it’s your only choice. Can it be done? I don’t know.

Alex Jones: Absolutely, it’s like a Don King boxing match. You know both fighters are owned by him, so what’s the point of watching. And you know it’s a rigged deal.

Jesse Ventura: Oh Alex, common, so is wrestling and that’s entertaining as hell.

Alex Jones: Hey, speaking of that, you went to UFC and saw one of those events, didn’t you? You still think it might be fake?

Jesse Ventura: Oh, the Ultimate fighting?

Alex Jones: Yea.

Jesse Ventura: Let me put it to you this way. Brock Lesnar who is the champ now, right?

Alex Jones: Yes.

Jesse Ventura: Brock Lesnar told me that pro wrestling is tougher.

Alex Jones: Really?

Jesse Ventura: Yea, that kind of stuns you, doesn’t it? But you know why he says it? Here’s why: Brock told me pro wrestling is harder because in ultimate fighting he only has to go in there for 15 minutes of hell, then he takes 2 to 3 months rest, he trains for 2 months and he goes back in for 15 minutes of hell.

While in pro wrestling you got to wrestle every night, you got to do interviews, you got to travel all over the country from one end to the other. It’s the most exhausting business you can possibly be in.

So that’s why. Do I think they’re really fighting? Yes I do. But the point is it’s only for 15 minutes and then they get a 6 month rest.

Alex Jones: Have you seen the move “The Wrestler”?

Jesse Ventura: No I have not, I just got back from Mexico.

Alex Jones: I want to get your take on that.

Jesse Ventura: Well, I can tell you this. Rather than what Hulk Hogan says it’s about him, no it’s not. From what I know about the film, I believe it’s about Jake ‘The Snake’ Roberts much more, because if you go to a movie that was a documentary called ‘Beyond The Mat’ that was done by a friend of mine, Barry Blowsky.

If you go watch that movie you’ll see that this character very much parallels the Mickey Rourke Character and the fact that he went through ups and down, he achieved the greatest in his career and he ended up down in the bottom again and he had a great deal of battle with a lot of demons including a daughter. In the documentary it shows Jake’s rough relationship with his daughter, which very much parallels the Rourke character in the movie “The Wrestler”.

Alex Jones: Well, obviously it’s not about Hulk Hogan. It’s about a guy who’s living in a trailer shack and is totally broke and has a heart attack. I mean, Hogan is something else, I guess, complete ego maniac.

Jesse Ventura: Oh yea, Hogan’s out there saying “just because the guy says ‘brother’ it’s about me”. Hahaha. I don’t think so.

Alex Jones: Hey, by the way I loved what you revealed about Hogan the other day, I happened to hear that.

Jesse Ventura: Hahahaha.

Alex Jones: Don’t do it here.

Jesse Ventura: No, I won’t.

Alex Jones: This is a conservative show, but it was hilarious. Oh my goodness.

Jesse Ventura: Don’t forget something, we Navy SEALs don’t get mad, we get even.

Alex Jones: Well, I’ve got you for a full hour to take calls in about 8, 9 days. We appreciate your time a lot. I’ll get more into all that other stuff and all the serious issues, but tell us about the paperback “Don’t Start the Revolution Without Me”.

Jesse Ventura: Well, you know, because the epilogue was not outdated, I don’t know if they removed it, but I added a couple of good chapters and we updated it, which is what they always do when a hardcover goes to paperback. But I updated a few chapters in it and all that stuff, but again it’s a wakeup call. I hope this country will wake up to the fact that, you know, dissension is the greatest form of patriotism and the fact that if you don’t hold your government officials feet to the fire you’re going to get bad government and that’s good, that’s not a unpatriotic.

And we better start taking our country back or we’re going to lose it because, Alex, you know, to me if we’re torturing people now, that means the terrorists are winning. Because they’re changing America and that’s what they’ve set out to do. Do we really want them to win? I don’t.

Alex Jones: Well, Jesse, I mean, governor, you’re a smart guy and we’ve had a lot of talks and I know you’re getting deeper into whole underworld of the New World Order and all this and you’re doing a lot more research on it and working on a lot of projects, a book and a TV show and the rest of it. I don’t know how much of that we can get into, but some of that’s got a gag order on it, because as it’s being produced right now.

But we talk about the buildings clearly being blown up and then the question is who could put them in there, who could do it. I know you’ve been in Mexico, but now they’ve had top scientists, two peer reviewed journals, top Dutch physicists have come out, international news, BBC, national TV in Europe confirming that they actually got the thermite samples from the buildings. They were blown up with explosive thermite.

Then you have the folks at NEST that are recovering all the substance that happened to be three of the top seven or so experts of thermite in the world. So common, this whole terrorist thing; it’s a fraud. They’ve used this to take our liberties, to take our freedoms and the same elite that was in control and when Bush was in control, they control Obama. Aren’t you worried that they’re talking about going into Iran now and aren’t you worried the same global elite might stage more terror attacks, or you think that was just Bush?

Jesse Ventura: Well, I don’t know. I guess I hate to say it but until they do something, we won’t know, will we Alex? Because we’re not on the inner circle. We’re not sitting in on the meetings where the decisions are made, so I can only respond as it happens. I guess the Iranians blew off a missile, you know, they showed some film of some missile going up in the air. Do I really know they did it? I don’t know.

You know, you get to the point, especially with our news media today that you don’t know what to believe and what not to believe. Initially you come out and they make you believe something, and then sort of six months later you learn other things that make you disbelieve what they told you, so when they tell me something today I don’t know whether to believe it or not.

Alex Jones: Absolutely, Jesse. Let me bring this question up to you then. On 08-08-2008 I get up, CNN says Russia has snuck attacked Georgia, then I get to the office and I’m watching foreign TV and even reading down deep in the Associated Press that Georgia’s snuck attacked South Ossetia, and two days later they admitted “Okay, it was all a PR stunt. NATO and US troops were there advising the sneak attack on the Russians”. I mean that’s how much our media and government will lie, is that they will launch sneak attacks on Russian territories. Does that sound like a good idea to you, Jesse?

Jesse Ventura: No, not at all. You know, that sounds to me like you know, if can go back in history… is Howard Hunt still alive? [...] That sounds like the stuff they would do in Cuba back down in the days of the Bay of Pigs and all that stuff when our CIA was down there trying to overthrow Castro secretly and making attempts at blowing up ships in the harbor and doing all that sort of behavior. It reminds me of the stuff that went on in Central America, doing the whole Iran-Contra conflict. What this country has got to do is to get its head out of its you-know-what and start realizing that there is a reason why these people don’t like us out there in the world. And a lot of it has got to do with our behavior.

Alex Jones: I agree, and these corrupt offshore elites that are using the United States as their tool, their front man, their strongman, their engine to carry this out. Can you talk about what we discussed this morning in that conversation about how you are discovering more and more stuff, you’re writing a book about conspiracies? The point about Lincoln, or do you just want to not get into that?

Jesse Ventura: Oh no, that’s fine. The story I can tell you is this. Dick Russel, my co-writer, he brought this to my attention. He sat me down and we were down together in the Baja, and he just looked at me and he said, “Governor, what do you know about the murder of Abraham Lincoln? What were you taught in school?” And I said, “Well, what I recall that I was taught in school was that Abraham and his wife went to the Ford movie theatre and then John Wilkes snuck up behind him, shot him in the head, tried to jump from the balcony, hooked his leg on something and broke his leg, they trailed him to a cabin and killed him.” I said that’s what I was taught, and Dick said to me, “So they never taught you that there were actually seven people arrested, tried and convicted for the assignation of Abraham Lincoln and the attempt on Ulysses S. Grant and Vice President Johnson?” I said, “I never heard a word about that until you told me about that right now”. And so what causes me concern is that I don’t know why don’t we put that in our school books about what really happened and that there was this literal attempt from the confederacy to assassinate three of the top union leaders, the President, the Vice President, and General Grant.

Alex Jones: The issue is why isn’t this put in school books, regardless of what side of this you’re on?

Jesse Ventura: Yeah. Why don’t they write the truth about history, and it scares me to death to think, “Okay, what can you believe in our history books that our children are reading today?” Are they going to continue to tell us that Lee Harvey Oswald killed Jack Kennedy when there is enough evidence out there that indicates that if he did take part in it, he certainly didn’t do it alone.

Alex Jones: Well governor, here is another one. It is mainline history even in Shire’s “Rise and Fall of the Third Reich” which was Pulitzer prize winning. It’s in all the major mainline history books, but it’s never on Discovery channel, the History channel and the news. Did you know that the British and U.S. governments actually funded Hitler? That Edward the Eight, the king, was a Nazi, he had to escape Germany when the war started and that the West basically told Hitler to go ahead and do what he did and that they were going to back him and they turned against him? Hitler’s still evil, the point is that that’s why they let the British escape at Dunkirk and all that. That’s why the Reich Fuhrer came in and parachuted to England with the peace treaty saying, “I have the peace treaty. Why are you doing this? We had a deal!”

Jesse Ventura: Alex, I have to tell you I don’t know any of that, I have to claim ignorance. I’ve never studied it, probably should but you know there are only so many hours in the day.

Alex Jones: I know, exactly, I’m saying you’re a prominent guy. Get your writer to look into that, because that’s something that is mainline, Pulitzer prize. It’s just in there like it’s no big deal. It’s kind of like an elephant in the living room and nobody is even pointing it out.

Jesse Ventura: Yea, you can’t see the forest for the trees.

Alex Jones: Absolutely.

Jesse Ventura: Okay, that’s interesting stuff. The book we’re going to write though is going to deal with multiple conspiracies through the years and cover them and hopefully make people think a little bit and make them realize. Because I still sit back and say “You’re telling me all the assassinations of the 1960s were all done by lone nuts?” You know, I lived through them and I just can’t believe that there wasn’t one more person involved than who they told us.

Alex Jones: Well, it’s now come out that Patty Hearst and the Weatherman, that was all staged, that’s mainstream declassified and every time I hear about mad bombers that are about to blow something up… I was in the shower this morning with the radio on listening to MPR and they admitted this latest group of idiots they found in New York… they admit, “oh by the way, the informants set up the group, were leading it and gave them the explosives”.

Jesse Ventura: Well, I’ll tell you Alex, you know more than I do on that stuff. I can’t comment on it because I have no idea.

Alex Jones: Well, you’re a very smart guy and you got a lot of courage, Jesse. And you’ve certainly have been learning a lot of stuff I didn’t know about and you taught me quite a bit about things that have happened.

Jesse Ventura: Well, you got to remember Alex, you’re here all the time now. I take a leave of absence for six months.

Alex Jones: Well, I think that’s good. I think you deserve it after all that you’ve done. Speaking of that, they keep asking you, are you going to run for the Senate? Are you going to run for governor? Are you ever going to run for office again?

Jesse Ventura: At this time, no. I don’t but I never say never because, you know, I can’t predict the future, I can’t predict that something won’t happen that would inspire me to do it again. But right now I don’t have the fire in my belly to go for it. Like the Senate race, it really came down to flipping a coin. I let destiny determine it. But the other main reason was that I thought about, you know, at my age now that’s six years of my life that I got to go hang out with people I don’t even like?

Alex Jones: Yea, they are…

Jesse Ventura: That is difficult to do, you know at this point in my life. I’ve only got so many more years on the planet. I’m closing in on 60 years old and I want to enjoy myself and to go out there and hang around with them people for six years, that would be like, why don’t I just go and put myself in prison.

Alex Jones: Well, Governor Ventura, I understand. And that’s the problem. Evil people will scrabble and claw to get power. They’ll knaw through steel to get it, and then good guys like you, they don’t want power so they do something to fight the evil but then at a certain point they get so disgusted by the elitists that they don’t even want to get involved in it. I don’t blame you.

Jesse Ventura: If I get that disgusted you know I’ll be back.

Alex Jones: Absolutely. So that’s a little hint that you’re going to be back in the future. We’ll talk a lot coming up on June 1st; we’re going to give you exactly one hour of the show you’re going to come on then. But Governor Ventura, the book is out in paperback. In closing, you talk about on TV water boarding Dick Cheney. I mean, this guy says it’s so great, it’s so wonderful, they admit 90+% of the people at Guantanamo bay are totally innocent, they were just picked up by bounty hunters at $25,000 a piece. Most of them are 14, 15 years old. The intelligence they used to scare everybody came from torture. I mean I think if Cheney says “water boarding is no big deal”, I mean maybe he should show us that it is no big deal. Can you comment on that?

Jesse Ventura: Well, first of all, I made the quote, I said it on Larry King, that if you gave me a water board, Dick Cheney and one hour, I’d have him confessing to the Tate murders.

Alex Jones: Hahaha.

Jesse Ventura: Well, I have to amend that though, Alex, I don’t think I could accomplish that, you know why?

Alex Jones: Why?

Jesse Ventura: His heart ain’t good enough, he wouldn’t be alive for an hour to even confess.

Alex Jones: Exactly, exactly.

Jesse Ventura: And that tells you how bad water boarding is. Because I do not believe Dick Cheney physically could take it, you know, with the heart that he has. Doing this to people and for calling it another name called “enhanced interrogation”, well, that’s baloney because torture is torture and they’re like jury-picking. They say, “You can’t torture a person from the United Sates but if the person comes from somewhere else in the world, torture is okay”.

Alex Jones: Yea, that was my last question. What about the Department of Homeland Security documents that came out listing conservatives, gun owners, returning veterans as the number one terror threat and that Homeland Security set up for them, and then it made the news…and we broke that news… that when we were out having an “End The Fed” rally with Ron Paul, the army was spying on us in Texas.

Jesse Ventura: Well, that’s because you’re in Texas. You can’t do nothing in Texas.

Alex Jones: No, but what do you think about that DHS report trying to list the American people as the terrorist.

Jesse Ventura: Well, again I don’t know Alex, that’s only stuff you know. And it’s not that I don’t believe you, but I can only speak about stuff that I actually know about, and I’ll say this:

Alex Jones: Yea, I know you have been down in Mexico. Yea, go ahead.

Jesse Ventura: If we’re not vigilant, we’re going to lose our freedoms, because it’s a natural progression. If you look down through the annals of history you will always see it happening. Unless the citizenry takes control… in fact, let me say this, Alex, I’ll finish like this: They won’t release the photos of our torture, right?

Alex Jones: Yes.

Jesse Ventura: Well, then how about if I step forward of behalf of the tax payers and the citizens of the great United States of America, and I want to go public with this. I’ll let you break it. I will represent us, let me go where these photos are. Let me go inside and see them and let me come out and report back as to what these photos are. I think I have the right to do that, I think they no right to keep me from that, you know why? I pay their salary and I’m a governor, I’m a mayor, I’m a former Navy SEAL, I had a top secret security clearance, I think I am fully qualified to walk in and view these photos on behalf of all the…

Alex Jones: Jess, so we can finish I am going to go one min over right now. We’re going to keep going on the web, InfoWars.com. We’re going to cut that feed.